July 1996, pgs. 21, 108
From the Hebrew Press
The Soldiers Who Fired at Qana Did Not Care About
the Massacre
Translated by Israel Shahak
Kol Hair, May 10, 1996. By Gil Riva
Last Friday [May 3] Professor Asa Kasher1 began taking
the moral balance of the Grapes of Wrath operation in general and
of the bombing of Qana in particular. Kasher, who formulated the
Israeli armys moral code, wrote in Maariv, At
the moment the factual data in the hands of the public are partial,
but I do not find in them any basis for a relevant comparison with
Kufr Qassem, Deir Yassin, Sabra and Shatila or Qibya. Instead of
hasty, superficial and questionable comparisons, a different type
of debate is necessary.
However, such a debate, so needed according to Professor Kasher,
has already taken place. It was conducted by Captain S., the commander
of the battery that fired on Qana, several minutes after the bombardment
in which about 100 Lebanese refugees were killed and several dozen
others were wounded.
Said A., a soldier in the battery that misfired: We received
information regarding what happened exactly five minutes after the
shooting. I cannot say that the ensuing atmosphere was especially
grave. We did not grasp at the time that it was a mishap that could
have been avoided, so no one became depressed. The battery commander
gathered us all and told us that this was war and that we had to
continue firing like the great fighters that we are. Hezbollah2
entered a village in which there were some Arabs, but that was their
problem. One more Arab, one less Arab, you know. Even the battery
commander said that.
Do you mean Captain S.? What exactly did he say?
He told us that it was war. Come on, the bastards fire at
you, what can you do? He told us that we were firing well and we
should keep it up, and that Arabs, you know, there are millions
of them.
T., a soldier who was present at the same unit meeting: No
one spoke about it as if it was a mistake. We did our job and we
are at peace with that. Even S. told us that we were great and that
they were just Arabushes.3
No one protested that term, Arabushes?
T.: Dont tell me that you are a leftist or something
like that.
A.: How many Arabs are there and how many Jews? A few Arabushes
die, there is no harm in that.
That, if it were so, was the moral evaluation of the murderous
bombing of refugees in Qana. From the testimonies of five soldiers
and officers who served on that battery or the adjacent one, interviewed
separately, it was unequivocally clear that soldiers and commanders
of the unit did not for one minute regret the firing, that none
of the senior commanders bothered to concern them with any questions
of purity of arms and that the psychologists whom the
Israeli army claimed to have sent to the soldiers were not seen
by them and apparently were not needed.
A few Arabushes die, there is no harm in that.
The deep sorrow that was voiced by the Israeli government and
by the Israeli army about killing the refugees did not go below
the level of Israeli army spokesmen. The soldiers and officers who
did the firing did not hear about it.
From the testimonies it was also clear that, contrary to the Israeli
armys official reports, the regional commander did not visit
the soldiers after the event. More seriously, their statements give
rise to a suspicion that the investigation carried out following
the bombing was a cover-up. Contrary to the conclusions of the investigation
published this week,4 according to which the firing at
Qana was done only because of a mistake on the maps, it was found
that the battery that performed the firing also did not carry out
the required temperature measurements. Temperature, as every new
recruit in artillery units learns, influences the course of the
shells. The officers with whom we spoke testified that that was
exactly what happened in Qana.
The soldiers in the battery were not really interested in what
caused the mistake.
Sergeant T.: That the cannon is not such an accurate weapon
was not even mentioned in the Israeli armys investigation.
Why blame the artillery when you can pin the blame on the maps?
Captain G., an officer who commands a battery similar to the one
that fired and missed: With artillery shells it sometimes
happens that there is a miss of about 100 meters. In the case of
Qana, the shells fell 300 meters from the target. In the same case
in which there was firing of a Katyusha missile at Israeli army
forces, we received a report they were at such a place. We put a
ruler on the map and checked where to fire. There was really a mistake
in the marking of Qana village on the map, but we had an infantry
force there, there was a suspicion that there were wounded in that
force and we had to fire at the terrorists.
A Temperature Problem
Seventeen terrorists were eliminated,5 and two
shells escaped into entirely different areas [Qana village] because
of a temperature problem. Up to one kilometer of deviation is normal,
but the firing could have been much more accurate if one considered
the matter of temperature. In the final calculation, it was not
considered that the temperature might have posed a negative factor
in firing the shell at the target, although this is known.
Why didnt that information appear in the report that was
submitted to the chief of staff, as published?
Perhaps ignoring that subject was intentional and justified.
Meaning?
Look, the investigation was intended for reaching conclusions
and to put the person responsible for this mishap in his place.
Usually when there are mishaps in training we punish the soldiers
so that they may learn better the next time and to instill a fear
in the others. Here there is no one to blame. Whom would you blame?
The weather forecaster? Perhaps God? Would you tell God, There
is no excuse for you because the temperature was wrong?
Is God the one who is supposed to check the temperature?
Apparently the issue of the temperature was not treated very
seriously or meticulously by the person in charge.
If in the case of Qana no one should be punished, for what mishaps
do you punish your soldiers?
If a soldier, for example, is stuck without ammunition when
bombing a target, he would be restricted to his base for that great
offense.
How did you explain the tragedy that occurred to your subordinates?
My battery did not miss during the operation. The messages
that should have been passed on to my soldiers did seep in. As an
officer, I have 10 times as much knowledge as the privates. They
do not know everything and they do not understand everything.
It was written in the newspapers that psychologists came to
the units and spoke with the soldiers.
My battery did not need psychologists, nor did they come.
There were some soldiers who took it hard, but they were not hysterical.
They were over it within five minutes. Some people went home that
day and others stayed. It was explained to them that there was a
mishap because they did not fire well enough.
Is that also what Captain S. did in his battery?
Captain S., the battery commander, summoned his soldiers
for a talk. There was no one there who took it hard. There was a
lot of commotion there, because we were under pressure to fire well
and it was still not known who was to blame, if anyone. But this
is war, and it was taken into consideration that such things can
happen.
It was written in the newspapers that the regional commander
came to speak with you. What did he say?
The regional commander did not come to speak with us. Perhaps
he was in other units. I think that K., the division commander,
came to us, but again, not with my soldiers. We gave our subordinates
a pep talk.
What did you tell them?
Look, there was not really a need for this because we do
not consider it to be a crisis. Such things happen. Arabs are Arabs,
there is nothing to be done. In a war such things are just waiting
to happen. We also had many civilians killed and there was no need
for those psychologists and all that bother.
Captain C. was right. None of the soldiers and officers interviewed
for this article needed a psychologist. Even the talks that senior
commanders in their corps held were curt and, apparently, just for
protocol.
Who came and spoke with you after the event and what did they
say?
T.: Lt. Col. P., the division commander, gave us a pep talk.
He told us that we work hard, we fire well and that the Israeli
army needs patience to win this war. P. asked us to keep up our
general good performance.
Did you ask him questions about the attack on Qana?
First of all, who had time to ask? He spoke for two minutes
and he went away.
A.: Captain S. also held a talk with us. After the event
he said that we were great, it was just some dead Arabushes and
for that they made a commotion all over the world. Why, when our
people died on Dizengoff Street, did they make any commotion?
Did Captain S. use the term Arabushes?
A.: Yes, thats what he said and that is also how we
felt. One Arab more, one Arab less, you know.
T.: I do not recall the word that he used, but that was the
general idea.
A.: You must understand, it happens all the time, things
like that. Only in the case of Qana there was a commotion, because
of the number of Arabs.
N., an officer in the same batalion, in a battery similar to that
of Captain S.: I do not want to talk about whether psychologists
did or did not come. Among us no one was frustrated.
Did you hear Captain S. tell his soldiers that it was
just some dead Arabushes?
I dont know what were the messages passed on to the
soldiers by the command ranks.. I have no idea whether S. was wrong
in what he said to his soldiers. I know that soldiers like to talk
and to rat about things like that. I think what he told them was
all right. As a commander I know that what I had to pass on to my
soldiers did pass on and what was not supposed to pass on did not.
Do you mean what Captain S. said?
Once again, I dont want to talk about what he said.
I do not know who was the rat who managed to tell you that and how
it already reached you. Perhaps some of his soldiers did not understand
him properly and perhaps he did not make himself clear and perhaps
other things happened. As far as I am concerned you can write no
comment.
Did the regional commander talk to you?
I dont want to talk about it.
In the newspapers it was written that he came to visit you and
speak with you. But I understood from conversations with soldiers
that he did not come.
I cannot tell you.
And are you certain that Captain S. did not say it was
just some dead Arabushes?
Look, in principle I am not permitted to give an interview
without a representative of the Israeli army spokesman being present.
It would be a pity to slander good officers because of some nonsense
they uttered.
Did he or did he not say it?
I dont want to say.
These are the statements made by five soldiers, two of them officers,
who participated in the firing at Qana. Professor Asa Kasher and
other military and morality commentators are now invited to carry
out a moral evaluation of the Grapes of Wrath operation
in general and of Captain S.s battery in particular. They
are invited to express their opinion about a place where the disregard
for human lives begins with not checking the temperature and ignoring
the maps and tell us where it all will end.
NOTES:
1. Professor Asa Kasher (Philosophy, Tel Aviv University) is one
of the shining intellectuals of the Meretz list, and in my view
a disgusting hypocrite. The article referred to proved
that Israel was fully justified in everything it did in Lebanon
under the Rabin-Peres government. Needless to say, Kasher strongly
opposed what Likud has done in Lebanon. All Meretz intellectuals
and politicians took the same line and this will be one of the reasons
for the decline of their party. The code referred to
is a hypocritical document of no value.
2. Army slang for Hezbollah fighters or members.
3. The common Hebrew insult against Arabs. The word is a combination
of the word Arab with the end of the Hebrew word rats
[Akhbaroshim].
4. The commander of the artillery corps was the sole investigating
officer. The Meretz hypocrites did not even demand a judiciary
committee of investigation, as they do when Likud is in power. It
is by now assumed even in the Hebrew press that the barefaced lies
of the Israeli army influenced the U.N. report which Israel and
the U.S. are condemning.
5. No reliance should be placed on these body counts. |